In a recent roundtable with Joe Biden, nurse Mary Turner told the president-elect something he found surprising:
"Do you know that I have not been tested yet?" said Turner, who is president of the Minnesota Nurses Association. "And I have been on the front lines of the ICU since February."
"You're kidding me!" Biden replied.
She wasn't kidding.
Guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggests that health care personnel be tested if they are symptomatic or have a known exposure to the coronavirus. But treating COVID-19 patients while wearing personal protective equipment doesn't count as exposure that warrants testing.
"It continues to amaze me that we are not doing this," said Michael Mina, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. While personal protective equipment goes a long way toward protecting health care workers, he said, there have been outbreaks at hospitals.
At Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, where Mina runs the virology lab, an outbreak this fall infected 42 employees and 15 patients. The hospital said factors in the outbreak included patients not wearing masks, staff not wearing eye protection and employees failing to social distance while eating.
But Mina believes that with more testing, the virus would not have spread so widely.
"That is an outbreak that shouldn't have happened. I believe pretty firmly that we would not have seen an outbreak grow so, so quickly — and it wouldn't have even been able to get started if we were doing frequent testing."
Defining the risk
Mina said to imagine physicians at a hospital who have the virus but are asymptomatic. The doctors don't realize they have been exposed and are now working when they are most infectious.
"They pose a very serious risk," Mina said. "At some point in the day, you're taking off your mask to eat lunch. If you're eating lunch in a cafeteria, you might expose 10 people without knowing it — especially in a hospital setting where you could have vulnerable people all around you."
Ideally, he said, people are wearing masks and social distancing. But especially with the arrival of winter, more things will be happening indoors. "People are going to have to eat. Whether it's in a break room or a cafeteria, you really do run a risk of getting other people exposed."
Nancy Foster, the American Hospital Association's vice president of quality and patient safety policy, said hospitals are following the CDC's scientific guidance.
"These strategies were put into effect in the early days of the pandemic, when there were persistent concerns about shortages of testing kits and supplies. Hospital staff and the CDC did not want to divert available testing supplies away from patients and the general population," Foster said in a statement to NPR, adding that the AHA continues to urge the federal government to increase the supply of personal protective equipment and testing supplies.
Maggie McGillick, a spokesperson for the American College of Emergency Physicians, said masks and PPE offer strong protection.
"It is nearly impossible to transmit virus through an N95 mask, [powered air purifying respirators], or other devices," she wrote in an email to NPR. "Those who do not have close contact routinely wear masks. Handwashing and the use of gloves is part of their routine, so it is very rare for an infected health care professional to transmit the disease to anyone at work."
"The precautions and personal protective equipment are working"
Many health care workers are contracting the virus via community spread, just like other Americans. Last month, the Mayo Clinic said that more than 900 employees in Minnesota and Wisconsin had gotten COVID-19 in the previous two weeks, out of its 55,000 staff members there.
The Mayo Clinic's medical director for occupational health, Laura Breeher, said the primary source of exposure for infected staff members is a known exposure to someone at home.
How does the clinic know the virus isn't spreading among staff?
"We track the source for infections very carefully," Breeher said — and she said the infection rate of the clinic's health care workers working on campus in patient care roles is similar to that of on-campus staff not working with patients and those who are working from home.
"So that's very, very reassuring to us that the precautions and personal protective equipment are working," Breeher said.
Many hospitals now require patients to test negative for the coronavirus in the few days before an inpatient procedure. Physicians and nurses themselves, meanwhile, are unlikely to have been tested before conducting the procedure.
Why the different standards?
Breeher said it's because for many procedures, patients can't be masked.
She said many patients "are needing procedures that increase risk, such as being on CPAP machines at night or things like that. So we want to make sure that we keep our health care campuses as safe as possible."
Screening health care workers at scale
Mina, the Harvard epidemiologist, said there are methods that hospitals could be using to do regular testing of large numbers of health care workers – either by using rapid antigen tests or pooling PCR tests.
"They could have everyone swab and put 50 swabs at a time into one tube and run that one tube and pool the tests for very, very cheap. You could do whole hospital departments with one test for 50 bucks a day," he said. If the pool tests positive, the hospital can then go back and test the people in it individually to see who has the virus.
And rapid antigen tests could work even better: "They only detect people when they're infectious."
Mina said that could make antigen tests an ideal choice for screening purposes, because some people continue to test positive on PCR tests for many weeks after they've stopped being infectious. That could help hospitals already stretched thin on staffing.
"Many people are only infectious, say, for four days. So maybe [with antigen testing] you come back to work after two days of being negative. Maybe it's only a five- or six-day isolation," Mina said.
In California, new guidance strongly recommends weekly testing
California's state health department announced new guidance two weeks ago that strongly recommends hospitals do weekly testing of health care personnel — and suggested pooled testing might be a way to do it.
But Susan Butler-Wu, associate professor of clinical pathology at the University of Southern California and director of the clinical microbiology lab at a large hospital in Los Angeles, said the state's new recommendations are going to be hard for most hospital labs to implement.
At her own hospital, she estimated that 10,000 people would need to be tested weekly. Without operational support from the state, she predicted the new protocols are going to cause problems — including further delays in testing.
"When you get some big mandate that, 'Hey, test all the health care workers in your hospital,' I don't have a bunch of pixies with magic swabs and magic reagents that will just magically run this," Butler-Wu said.
The guidelines could also create staffing shortages, Butler-Wu said, if employees who recently had COVID-19 asymptomatically suddenly get positive PCR tests.
They may no longer be infectious, "but now what do we do? We tell them to isolate. Now we lose a whole bunch of staff as a result of that," she said. "We're asking people to stay home and not work when they're truly essential and may not even be an infectious risk to anybody."
The larger problem is a systemic one, Butler-Wu said.
"As a country, because we don't have a national plan or a national strategy, this is the situation we find ourselves: Football players can get tests," she said. "People choosing to socialize and wanting to feel safer doing so, even though it's a pandemic, can get tests."
But a national program to test the country's health care workers regularly? There isn't one.
Anne Jackson is a nurse at the University of Michigan health system. She said it's frustrating to read about how the university's football players and coaches are tested daily, while hospital staff are only tested if they're symptomatic or have a CDC-defined exposure. (The university also has a surveillance testing program that is open to staff who want to be tested.)
"Football makes them money," Jackson said. "The health system employees do as well, but not to the extent that the football players do, and the football players are more valuable to them than we are."
For Mina, the Harvard epidemiologist, the lack of regular testing of health care workers raises other questions.
"There's a clear problem when we're saying that the greatest-risk people, the people who are at the greatest risk to themselves and to their patients are the health care workers," Mina said. "And so that's why we're going to give them vaccines before anyone else. But then when we don't have a vaccine, and it's just testing, we say, 'Don't worry about it, it's not a big deal, you don't need to be tested.' "
It's an approach, he said, that doesn't make sense.
Will Stone contributed to this report.
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Health care workers are still having a hard time getting coronavirus tests. And as NPR's Laurel Wamsley reports, the lack of testing means there could be lots of asymptomatic health care workers caring for pretty sick people.
LAUREL WAMSLEY, BYLINE: In a recent roundtable with Joe Biden, Mary Turner, a nurse in Minnesota, told the president-elect something he found surprising.
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MARY TURNER: Do you know that I have not been tested yet, and I have been on the frontlines in the ICU since February?
JOE BIDEN: You're kidding me.
WAMSLEY: Guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control say that health care personnel should be tested if they're symptomatic or have a known exposure to the coronavirus. But treating COVID-19 patients while wearing personal protective equipment, or PPE, doesn't count as exposure that warrants testing. A recent survey by National Nurses United, the nation's largest nurses union, found that only 42% of registered nurses in hospitals said they had ever been tested for COVID-19.
MICHAEL MINA: It continues to amaze me that we are not doing this.
WAMSLEY: Michael Mina is an epidemiologist at the Harvard School of Public Health who says while PPE generally offers good protection, there have been outbreaks at hospitals. At Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, where Mina runs the virology lab, one outbreak involved 42 employees and 15 patients. The hospital blamed patients not wearing masks, staff without eye protection and employees failing to social distance while eating.
MINA: Now, that is an outbreak that shouldn't have happened. I believe pretty firmly that we would not have seen an outbreak grow so quickly and it wouldn't have even been able to get started if we were doing frequent testing. There are so many ways that a hospital could be doing this, and they're not.
WAMSLEY: Mina says hospitals could either use rapid antigen tests or pool PCR tests to do screening for the virus more cheaply.
MINA: They could have everyone swab and put 50 swabs at a time into one tube and run that one tube and pool the test for very, very cheap. You could do a whole hospital department with one test for 50 bucks a day.
WAMSLEY: California State Health Department announced new guidance two weeks ago that strongly recommends weekly testing of health care personnel. But hospitals have struggled just to get enough tests for patients. Susan Butler-Wu is associate professor of clinical pathology at USC, and she directs the clinical microbiology lab at a large hospital in Los Angeles.
SUSAN BUTLER-WU: So if we were to take something like this recommendation where - OK, let's say we screen everybody weekly. There's very few clinical hospital labs that would be able to have that much testing available to be able to do that.
WAMSLEY: Butler-Wu says at her hospital, there are 10,000 workers that would likely need testing under the new guidance. And she says without operational support from the state, the new protocols are going to cause problems, including greater testing backlogs.
BUTLER-WU: But as a country, because we don't have a national plan or a national strategy, these are - this is the situation we find ourselves. Football players can get tests. People choosing to socialize and wanting to feel, you know, safer doing so, even though it's a pandemic, can get tests.
WAMSLEY: But a program to test the country's health care workers - nope. Many nurses and doctors suspect hospitals are worried that widespread testing could reveal asymptomatic cases and then result in quarantining critically needed staff. And for Mina the Harvard epidemiologist, the lack of regular testing of health care workers raises other questions.
MINA: There's a clear problem when we're saying that the greatest-risk people, the people who are at the greatest risk to themselves and to their patients, are the health care workers. And so that's why we're going to give them vaccines before anyone else. But then when we don't have a vaccine and it's just testing, we say, don't worry about it. It's not a big deal. You don't need to be tested.
WAMSLEY: It's an approach, he says, that doesn't make sense. Laurel Wamsley, NPR News.
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